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    Monday, April 29, 2024

    Fran Lebowitz will discuss the world Saturday at the Garde with Wally Lamb

    Fran Lebowitz (Charles Sykes/Invision/AP)
    Fran Lebowitz will discuss the world Saturday at the Garde

    One can try to interview Fran Lebowitz, but it might be easier just so say, "Ready, Fran? GO!" — and let her roar. Now, to be honest, Lebowitz, who speaks in a gleeful but harsh Manhattanite staccato tattooed by thousands of cigarettes over the course of her lifetime, will politely listen if a question somehow manages to slip into the torrent.

    But, in a phone call in late October, anyway, her answers quickly shift back to her preferred focus with the practiced efficiency of a hungry peregrine that's spotted a field mouse and dive-bombs from 5,000 feet.

    On one hand, this makes things easier for the reporter as this scenario essentially takes the "Q" out of "Q and A." At the same time, though, it severely limits the array of potential interview topics — and, well, let's just say the sole theme of a 15-minute conversation was Donald Trump. Period.

    The subject matter will assuredly expand into other aspects of life and society on Saturday in the Garde Arts Center, when Lebowitz takes the stage with acclaimed and bestselling novelist Wally Lamb for a free-ranging exchange of ideas, observations and philosophies.

    Lebowitz came to public awareness via two essay collections, 1978's "Metropolitan Life" and 1981's "Social Studies," and rapidly became famous for her acerbic public opinions centered around a bizarre, sort of appealing cultural misanthropy. Though she's written a children's book, "Mr. Chas and Lisa Sue Meet the Pandas," Lebowitz is now best known as a reliably provocative and entertaining guest on the lecture circuit and on talk shows with the likes of Bill Maher and Conan O'Brien. In 2010, Martin Scorsese released a documentary about her called "Public Speaking," and Lebowitz also acted in his film "The Wolf of Wall Street" and has a recurring role on "Law & Order."

    As for her comments to The Day, Lebowitz starts by saying, "I wish I was one-billionth as lucky as (Trump). He's the luckiest man who ever lived. He's never done one thing right. He's incredibly stupid. He's totally immoral beyond contempt — and yet he runs the world!" Her tone is at once seething and incredulous — but there's also a touch of awe, like the only witness who happens to be standing on a corner when an actual werewolf trots by with a human foot in its jaws.

    Lebowitz also adds that it's frustrating to organize her complaints against Trump because, essentially, every hour or so, he does something new she finds even more astonishing. She explains, "I mean, look what's happening. He's giving a speech today to young black leaders, and it's the same day they capture (alleged serial bomber Cesar Sayoc). How could you make that up? I cannot believe there are actual black people who would voluntarily listen to Trump talk about leadership. They must be actors. There isn't one black person or woman in this country who actually voted for him. There can't be."

    It's at this point that Lebowitz, whose comments, while certainly sincere, have a very decided tongue-in-cheek and rhythmic quality that are typical of veteran standup comics, comes up with an astonishing admission.

    "You know, until 2016, I was never wrong about anything," she says. "Seriously. It's my profession to be right. But I was wrong for the first time about the (presidential) election. I thought Trump had zero chance to be elected, and so I was serene in speaking all over the country to thousands for the whole year before. I told every single person who came to see me — or who didn't come to see me, for that matter — don't worry. He can't win."

    Lebowitz pauses and then speaks as though recalling a pleasant dream that suddenly crashed into nightmare. She says, "That election day was one of the happiest days of my life — until it was one of the worst. All day and into the early evening, our neighborhood was a like a festival! People were in the streets partying. That night, we went around to events. The West Village, SoHo ... it was so great. But suddenly, you'd see on the television that another state was red, and it was happening more and more. Finally, late in the evening, it was eerie. The streets were deserted, and there was a feeling like 9/11. It was just the worst.

    "For months afterwards, people would see me on the street and say, 'You were WRONG!' And I'd say, 'I know, I know. I'm so sorry.'"

    The reporter gently tells Lebowitz that, with a background in the south and Midwest, he felt very much as though Trump could win.

    "I get that now," Lebowitz sighs. "In fact, my best friend is a native New Yorker who believed Trump could win. I have some black friends who thought he might win. But on the whole, New York City didn't think he would win because we KNEW what kind of person he is.

    "My best friend said, 'You don't understand because you don't watch reality television.' Well, no. And I knew millions watched this junk, but I didn't think they believe it was real. Like, is 'Bonanza' real? In New York, we knew he wasn't an actual real estate developer because he WASN'T! He's not rich. We KNEW he had huge debt. A billionaire I know said, 'Fran, YOU have more money than Donald Trump.'

    "And I also have friends i respect who are Republicans. I asked one, a banker/venture capitalist, if she was going to vote for Trump, and she said, 'No, of course not.' But she represents the last of the Republicans who actually had an ideology. The people who follow and voted for Trump have no party ideology. They just want it to be 1965 again. And the rich people who did vote for him care only about money."

    As time runs out on the interview, Lebowitz is quickly asked whether she believes Trump is literally changing the way society thinks of the idea of "truth," which seemed until recently to be an inviolate concept. She doesn't answer the question but instead uses it as a conduit to another aspect of Trump she wants to talk about.

    "It's not his lying I hate so much, it's his stupidity," she says, "which is an incredibly bad trait for a president. It's not because he's a Republican. No one thought for one second that Richard Nixon was stupid. He wasn't. He did bad things because he was immoral. Then, once we got to Reagan, he established a template for 'the stupid president,' and we've had pretty much a succession of stupid presidents.

    "And you know what? Being president is a really, really hard job. A really hard job. And what we've gotten used to is a succession of stupid presidents trying to do a really hard job. Obama was an exception. He's really smart, but he wasn't a great president. So I suppose that counts for something, but even then, being smart doesn't always work. And now we've got Trump. And anyone who has any skill doesn't want to be around him, so who's working for us? Listen, I'm lazy — I know lazy — and he's the laziest person ever. And dumb. There's not a single job he can do. He can't and won't do anything. He wouldn't mow your lawn because not only would he NOT do it, he CAN'T do it."

    If you go

    What: An Evening with Fran Lebowitz in Conversation with Wally Lamb

    When: 8 p.m. Saturday

    Where: Garde Arts Center, 325 State St., New London

    How much: $35-$55

    For more information: (860) 444-7373, gardearts.org

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